Disgusted by CCP's stance of banning people for 'RL abuse' while tolerating out-of-game threats of violence made in the EVE client and forums.

but are you really trying that people who scam & gank in game only do so because they're unwilling to shoot people irl?

I'm pretty sure he's trying to say that, he's blown stuff up and been blown up and never once been threatened for it or whatever, so for it to happen to someone else, they must have provoked it in some other way to begin with. That's how I understood it.

Well, you're wrong, and I explained my experience: I was doxed without said RL provocation.

4) If you live in a civilized country, aiding and abetting is reality; if it's a group activity you need to understand that this will leave you vulnerable to enforcement via proxy unless you can prove that you have nothing to do with the activity other people are accused of. If you are not sure about this, contact CCP when you see something which could be seen as a breach of EULA/ToS.

On the topic of social behaviour: if you can discuss and act around total strangers in the middle of the street in a way these alleged violators have, then the behaviour should be accepted and shouldn't be enforceable. If this behaviour cannot be done to a total stranger on the street and it would cause someone to contact the authorities, then the alleged violations are not part of human social interaction and shouldn't be projected towards a player.

Well, you're wrong, and I explained my experience: I was doxed without said RL provocation.

You can take a look at Erotica 1's commentary if you need to get up to speed on the current discussion:

mimimi

The information we have so far from Ero on this latest round of bans is very disconcerting.

We will update as more information becomes available.

You are as much in the dark as we are in terms of what specific (note: I don't mean 'exact') rules are being applied to players who get banned.

You can make this statement with about as much certainty as a fellow carrying around a metal rod in a lightning storm.

The new order's military might is laughable.

But we have media control.

The meta-game is always pushed to extremes. Those who do not do it will lose in-game. That is why we need guidelines.

I wonder if the clattering of pitchforks and the howling for CCP to cater to the entitled player minority actually disrupts the day to day activities in Reykjavik?

I have a quick question here myself. If a player were to go outside of the game and look up my personal information such as real name, address, workplace, etc....
And use those ingame to threathen me by spreading that info around. How would you look upon that? Worthy of the same punishment as these people got?

I know the consequences of taking the game to the real world. The person who did it to me is still playing the game. Why, they're online right now.

According to my experience, where essentially this happened to me, it's not bannable at all. And they were threatening my family.

And so can I.

Stop acting like customer-company relations is a one-way street where the company just does whatever it wants without consequence, because that really isn't the case.

If CCP starts banning a bunch of people under questionable and ambiguous circumstances, others will get fed up and take their patronage elsewhere.

That's not the ******* point you brainless shitstain. I actually WAS fearing for the safety of my family, especially when my mother called me in tears about some weirdo that contacted her on Facebook. You weren't here when I posted the evidence of it here, you weren't there when I was trying to calm her down on the phone, and it's probably never the **** happened to you. More of this "out of sight, out of mind" bullshit where "it didn't happen to me so it's a non-issue". K, whatever. I hope it never does happen to you, it's ******* creepy, but don't ******* trivialise my experience just because I'm 'still standing' or some ****.

But forget that, you said this was a bannable offense, and now you're acting like it's not even a thing just because I'm still alive and posting? Are you huffing ******* chalk or something? Get a clue.

What the police do.

How they dealt with the player is not the issue here,

who is facing charges, but still playing. Even if I wanted to, I can't really tell you much without endangering the ongoing investigation, which includes multiple cases of a similar nature by the same offender - while I have previously made the evidence publicly available, the police requested I take it down as it is part of ongoing proceedings.

It's all beside the point though. This is not about what the police are doing, this is about what CCP did. Which is nothing. That player is in the game right now. Maybe you'll be his next victim? I really hope not, I'll cross my fingers for you. I know I have him blocked, and watchlisted.

probably the inconsistency of bans and punishments handed out by CCP.

some people do a few things out of game and get banned, other people get real life threats like this and ccp does nothing.

you know, the thing this thread is about; the lack of clarity of what is, and isn't acceptable, and why enforcement of the rules doesn't seem to have any consistency and you're left with GM roulette as to rule enforcement.

Well, not that I expect anyone to care, but it's important that CCP understand. I just cancelled my subscription. CCP's attitude in this matter is utterly unconscionable and Falcon's passive aggressive and borderline insulting posts are unacceptable. I can only hope that CCP learn the hard way when subscriber numbers drop.

Golly, so much anger in so few words.

Take a coffee break before you risk a forum ban.

Admittedly, this is what makes it extremely difficult for me to empathize with these individuals. They actually enjoy taunting and provoking negative reactions from others. And they proudly post and display "tear collection" trophies publicly so that others like them can enjoy and stroke their ego. If they can get their victims to rage-quit or rage-banned, that's just the sweet cherry on top. It's very sadistic behavior.

And by no means am I suggesting "they deserve to be doxxed" or threatened in real life. No one does. But how much empathy could you have for someone like this? They enjoy making others angry, upset, and miserable for cheap laughs and giggles.

Remiel was playing EVE in a perfectly acceptable and legitimate way.

This does not ******* excuse doxing and real life threats to person and family. If you think so you are blaming the victim.

Driving a car puts you in constant danger of a sudden and early death. Does that mean I deserve it if I get into an accident?

I'm pretty sure that every step between "CCP says x person was banned because he specifically did this thing" and "we've cracked CCP's security scheme" is something along the lines of "Mr Epeen talks out of his ass and suggests some causal link between completely unrelated things for the sole purpose of being a contrarian."

And there you are blaming them for being such.

The same empathy I have for someone who gets threatened or harassed for bragging about a Chess tournament win (bragging which sometimes makes the losers of the tournament angry, upset, and/or miserable).

They are the victim of a crime/EULA violation*.

Suicide ganking is allowed, provided it's not unreasonably excessively focused on one player.
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Yeah, go join the army one day.

No one is talking about provoked reactions. There are a lot of unprovoked attacks that have taken place in this game where the aggressor has not faced CCP policy enforcement. That's what he's saying.

No, you're just trashing an entire group of people based on the choices of a few bad apples.

Where I come from, that's called ignorance and bigotry.